Apparently Microsoft doesn't think you might want to customize your startup sound
Published on August 31, 2006 By Aleatoric In Vista Customization
From the looks of things, Microsoft seems to be so smitten by their marketing that they believe that you'll always want to hear the default Vista startup sound, no matter what.

Here's a portion of a quote (from the Scobleizer link) from Steve Ball, the program manager for audio video experience (oops, I mean excellence) team at Microsoft,

"The bottom line is that the rumors, stories, speculation about the new Windows Vista sound are true," Ball said, "but with a number of extreme qualifications."

The current plan, he tells me, is that there will be a pre-wired sound that plays when the system is ready for you to logon. This is the plan of record for quite a few months.

You can do other things with your attention and your eyes during cold boot without feeling like you have to watch and wait.

This will be a non-customizeable sound, and that’s been part of the plan for Windows Vista for many months, he said".



The overwhelming number of user comments on the scobleizer page are clearly in opposition to this idea. And it seems to me that most of those commenters aren't as attached to the idea of customization as the visitors to Wincustomize are.

Even if I didn't want to customize my PC, I would be unalterably opposed to this kind of thing. Being someone who enjoys customization, I see this as a much worse proposition.

Steve Ball mentions that they are 'listening' to these kind of comments, but the statements that he makes (including a couple in the comments section) indicates that Microsoft is dead set on providing this 'functionality'.

If I get Vista at some point, and it has this issue, I will look for a hack to disable it, as much as I hate the idea of those kind of hacks.


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on Sep 01, 2006
One more reason that I won't be getting Vista. This is the all too often attitude of many companies who claim to be improving their products while in reality treating their customers as a stupid captive audience.
on Sep 01, 2006
Someone will always find a way to hack it off or change it. It's not a big issue, maybe after a few weeks of vista being released, a search in google would most likely bring up something useful.
on Sep 01, 2006
Just turn down the volume during boot.  
on Sep 01, 2006
Oh, I fully expect that a hack will be available about a microsecond after release. Given that, I don't really think this is a permanent state of affairs, but it does go a long way toward indicating what Microsoft *really* thinks about their customers.

They think they're going to present some 'spiritual' experience that the customers will eat up like pudding. That's just stupid. I don't have it in for Microsoft, and I don't hate Windows, but this kind of thing puts me on edge. It's clear that the desires (or needs) of the customer aren't even on this planet as far as the 'experience' people are concerned.

If this kind of crap is actually in the release version of Vista, I *won't* be buying it. I'll let my ODNT subscription lapse and start using linux exclusively before I give in to this kind of stupidity.

This kind of thing is just a bad idea, no matter how you look at it.
on Sep 01, 2006
Why is everyone so worried? Microsoft once again is just opening another market that Stardock can target. I'm sure Stardock will create a product (if they haven't already) and have it packaged as part of the ODNT.
on Sep 01, 2006
Besides, even if it's wired in, they'll probably get so many bloody complaints that by the time the equivalent of the SP2 or a version 2 comes out, it'll be ousted.

(As will the guy whose grand idea that was too, probably . . . )
on Sep 01, 2006
If it happens, I'll just have to leave everything behind and go live in a cave somewhere. What a disaster, a hard wired sound. How can I continue on when companies are running our lives and taking away our right to free sound? How dare they create an OS and include what they want in it?

And I'll have to walk to the cave because all the car companies hard wired the "ding ding ding" sound when I leave my keys in and I couldn't customize it so I went back to foot power.
on Sep 01, 2006
on Sep 01, 2006
(lumberg) Uhh yeah, boss0190, I'm just going to have to sort of disagree with you there (/lumberg).

Hope you have a nice cave

If you think I'm arguing that this is some kind of apocolyptic occurance, you're a bit off base. For all I know, the startup sound might even be pleasant enough that it doesn't piss me off every time I hear it.

But since this is a site for people who like to customize every aspect of their system, the concept of a hard coded sound (and the only option to not hear it is (according to the MS rep) to plug in headphones or turn down your volume (which on some laptops doesn't work, since the controls are activated in software)) doesn't really go along with the customization mindset.

How would you react if Microsoft, in a spasm of marketing, decided that they wanted you to be branded with a particular type of window decoration, and that WindowBlinds would no longer work, in order that you'd get to experience the 'spiritual' epiphany that comes with the Microsoft branded presentation?

This isn't about the sound, per se. There are a substantial number of legitimate resaons for being able to customize or disable 'features' in a general purpose operating system, and for Microsoft to subjugate the needs or wants of the customer in order to impose their marketing hoo haw is pretty stupid, no matter what you might think about the particulars.

BTW, your comparison to the car's key beep is kind of off base as well, while I'd like to be able to turn off the beep (and actually, if I want to dig into the ECM, I can), it serves some purpose other than branding (i.e. a toyota doesn't play the theme to 'Three's Company' when you leave the keys in the ignition), it's a legitimate reminder that you've done something unexpected. What similar purpose does a startup sound serve? "Oh, thank you, Mr. startup sound man! I completely forgot that I booted (rebooted) my computer just a minute ago, if it wasn't for your special sound, I would have been lost to the world, unable to do aught but stare at the screen, hoping some magical sound would tell me it's safe to use my computer"!

Worse than the fact of the hard-coded sound are the reasons the rep gives for hard-coding it ("You can calibrate your volume with your startup sound"!, "You can go eat breakfast while your computer boots, and the friendly sound will tell you when the computer is ready to use"! and so on).

Marketing dreck should be reserved for marketing venues (ads, trade shows, etc.), but it should get out of the way once the system comes into my possession.
on Sep 03, 2006
We'll make any hard coded sounds customizeable.
on Sep 21, 2006
Well I have to say since I am usng Vista Build RC1 / 5600 if anyone would like to star the hacking/ i mean customization/ I would be happy to help you work on it. Have been beta testing vista for several months now, and with the release of RC1/5600 things got better.

The new Vista RC1 is not as bad as the Beta Release 2 was. It was pretty buggy and clunky and prone to conflicts with Office 2007 Beta RC1, but now they are working really well together. One of the pluses I see is Outlook has a built in RSS reader and such, so now I get my Joeuser stuff with my e-mail and everything else all together.

I can see where people will want to customize the desktop more. The new widgets are OK but nothing like my Stardock stuff. I will be waiting to see how you guys do once you get your hands on it and start to work your magic. Its already visually beter and can only get better when the Stardock crew gets hold of it.
on Sep 21, 2006
We'll make any hard coded sounds customizeable.


on Sep 21, 2006
We'll make any hard coded sounds customizeable

Brilliant! Hehe
on Sep 22, 2006
We'll make any hard coded sounds customizeable.


As in "null"?
on Nov 10, 2006
Why don't they focus on making a superior product at MS instead of adding features nobody needs or wants? LOL.

I can't believe my fingers allowed my to type a response to the insignificance of the article. I guess I'm a post whore now. Oh well. Ta-ta.
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